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- London
Gah! You've now sent me on a win-searcher odyssey and reminded me of the double-magnum of Mondavi Reserve at Hedonism.
TN So how bad can Lindeman's Bin 65 be???
- Thread starter Richard Ward
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- London
I have only has this one bottle but it was delicious, and if served blind I would have sworn it was Bordeaux. The label states 12.5% abv! I understand the estate is considered to be old-fashioned and never succumbed to the Parker craze.
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- London
I wonder if it is better or worse than today's iteration? the price hasn't gone up in 36 years.
I shall be sampling the current vintage soon, with prawn cocktail and Black Forest gateau, both of which are delicious with a little care lavished upon them.
Tom Cannavan
Administrator
What a waste of time. If you are not going to give any indication of a score, how are we supposed to interpret whether it's worth buying or not???
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- London
What a waste of time? You could at least read to the end....
51 points and on the highly respected WA scale at that.
51 points and on the highly respected WA scale at that.
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- Sydney
I doubt they add sugar to Bin 65. They probably add a little acid, powdered tannin, and stop the ferment with a little sugar still there.
Irrigated, high-yield, dilute grapes, hence no real flavour.
They're trying to make Pinot Gris with yellow colour.
Cheap PG is all the rage these days. And it's all got a bit of sugar in too.
You offer a neophyte a glass of decent dry riesling and they say "oh no, I don't like sweet wines."
And they're drinking commercial PG.
Channelling grandma's prejudices through a prism of ignorance. Yeesh.
Irrigated, high-yield, dilute grapes, hence no real flavour.
They're trying to make Pinot Gris with yellow colour.
Cheap PG is all the rage these days. And it's all got a bit of sugar in too.
You offer a neophyte a glass of decent dry riesling and they say "oh no, I don't like sweet wines."
And they're drinking commercial PG.
Channelling grandma's prejudices through a prism of ignorance. Yeesh.
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- Bangkok
What's the 1 for Richard!
Regarding Blue Nun, Michael Schuster used to regularly stick a bottle in to blind tastings in courses and for MW students - it invariably was rated and price pointed higher than it's lowly reputation. Including by me!
Regarding Blue Nun, Michael Schuster used to regularly stick a bottle in to blind tastings in courses and for MW students - it invariably was rated and price pointed higher than it's lowly reputation. Including by me!
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- West Yorkshire
Being under screwcap.
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- West Yorkshire
I agree on the dishes, especially Black Forest Gateau which is superb if done properly.
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- West Yorkshire
In truth, the bottle went down the sink and was replaced with a more than decent 2013 Saintsbury Carneros Chardonnay. Fat and ripe with fresh pineapple, baked apples, creamy vanilla and sweetcorn.
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- Oxford
The acidic, burning quality of the wine could actually be of benefit for this function. Combined with the easy opening bottle surely worth a score of 52 pts?
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- West Yorkshire
Oh as a sink cleaner, I'd rate it 89pts...
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- London
Equals 96 JS
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- Europe
Very excited by the idea of black forest gateau with prawn cocktail topping.
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- London
Graeme,
Interesting that you think they might add a bit of powdered tannin to a white. Would that be to give it a bit of grip or some sort of feel of substance in the mouth?
“Channelling grandma's prejudices through a prism of ignorance”. I think you may have provided me with a new platform to get elected. Ta.
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- Edmonton, Canada
I've not had the Bin 65 in decades but based on Richard's note I'm certain it used to be far better. If I recall it was regularly cited by wine magazines as being a "best buy", the term QPR not yet au courant. Did I mention that I used to cook with it?
Speaking of Black Tower, it seems that I am not the only one with an old bottle. Here is a bottle I inherited from a friend of the family when she renovated her basement some years ago:
Cheers .............................. Mahmoud.
Tom Cannavan
Administrator
Do you know, I didn't even notice that. Well done Richard: you're more professional than I thought. I may cancel my order for a case of this.
Tom Cannavan
Administrator
I see from my database that the last vintage I tasted was the 2001, and there are three notes for the 2000 vintage, all four notes written between 2001 and 2003. I consistenly scored it 86, so just worthy of a 'bronze' medal. From my memory that is what I thought of it at the time: simple and commercial, but well done. I don't recall tasting any more recent vintage strangely enough, and there are no notes in the database.
Bin 65 tasting Notes
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- West Yorkshire
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- Yorkshire
Isn't Black Tower now a dryish Rivaner ?
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- Edmonton, Canada
I think we're waiting for Thom B to step up, poor fellow.
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- London
I always viewed the admittedly dispiriting lakes of Liebfraumilch and suchlike wines as bland and inoffensive rather than throat-raspingly repellent.
It's a quality wine and there's a full litre of it, which means a third more quality than usual. What's not to like?
It's a quality wine and there's a full litre of it, which means a third more quality than usual. What's not to like?
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- Manchester
Yup, those notes are from pretty much the time I was drinking a fair amount of it, and are consistent with how I remember it.
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- Edmonton, Canada
Is quality wine and Qualitatswein the same thing? I think not, though in case of the former a litre is indeed better.
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- Herefordshire
Yes unfermented sugar is just, well, added sugar.