I think the Coutale has changed in style. Many years ago, at a fine wine store in Edmonton, I recall a staff member pointing out a Madiran (which I bought) and when I pointed out the Coutale he basically sniffed his nose at it. Fast forward a few years and when Coutale made the Wine Spectator Top 100 a staffer at the same downtown store was quick to point out the Coutale. I suspect the style had changed. Mike, I am a rough believer in your "15 year" rule as my Coutales are from '95, '99 and '08 vintage. Cheers ............................... Mahmoud.