NWR Family car advice

Discussion in 'UK Wine Forum' started by Ben Hunting, May 26, 2020.

  1. Looks lovely Nick, and I'm also pleased to see your back garden in such good order at this time of year.

    Mine is quite a sober looking silver with black interior (sorry, Phil!) type of thing. Like you, we found the 5-series intimidatingly large but had def outgrown the standard 320d that we had prior to the arrival of kid no.2. Although it's not as fun or as chuckable as the normal 3-series, the GT is a perfect compromise for us in terms of performance, size and practicality and I particularly love the engine and 8-speed auto box. Prob the only downside is that it's not great on petrol.
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  2. Young children. Black interior.
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  3. My previous 3 BMWs had black paintwork and black interiors. And I only listened to the MeninBlack on the hifi. I broke the habit with my current one and went for Sunset Orange (I believe it is called) paintwork but kept the black interior :D
  4. 0C903C43-0030-40DC-B337-D8AAE95EB039.jpeg What, like this?
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  5. I love tan and cream interiors. Not always impractical either. Black is so dreary.
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  6. We had a Saab 9000 many years ago with a tan interior. Mrs B, who comes from farming stock, said it looked like calf diarrhoea :rolleyes:
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  7. That would also apply to my old Saab 900 turbo
  8. Won't second hand cars be a lot, lot, lot cheaper in 12 months, especially given so many are bought on credit?
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  9. What's your logic here, Guy?
  10. Tom Cannavan

    Tom Cannavan Administrator

    In the good old days my Cayman had full chocolate brown leather, hand stitched, everywhere: dash with beautiful detailing round the dials, doors, everywhere. It was just absolutely gorgeous. I could have lived in it if only the wine cellar had been bigger.
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  12. Tom Cannavan

    Tom Cannavan Administrator

    My only two photos, if you zoom in you might make out the interior colour. Makes me nostalgic, but then again I've dragged this thread away from sensible family cars with boot space - sorry Ben :)


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  13. Guy I presume your logic is that a lot of leas deals will come to their natural end or be terminated early because people will be unable to keep up with repayments due to unemployment.

    I think the counterargument is that car companies have anticipated this and restricted supply. No new cars have been produced since March. I'm not aware what difference that makes to the circulation of cars in the pool but I wouldn't on balance anticipate a huge oversupply of lease cars to flood the market

    Someone with specialist knowledge might correct this
  14. There's a limit to how far in advance they can predict! For instance, someone on a 4 year contract starting in January this year who then loses their job might be looking to sell the contract on - or return it with various penalties for resale at auction. I often wonder what happened to my Skoda when I returned it. I do know it was SORNed for quite a while. That would have been a decent buy at maybe £8k.
  15. A large, premium SUV for your first car?

    Large SUVs are useful for suburban parents who take their kids (and others') to activities which require bulky equipment or who go on long journeys. But for many, a roomy hatchback will suit the purpose, especially for city-dwellers. The kids will make a mess of the car, unless you have an onboard nanny to stop them spilling yoghurt drinks, putting half finished sweets between the seats and vomiting when you are testing how well your car handles hair-pin bends. So, while I recommend wipe-down seats, I would not go for a luxury model just yet.

    We had an old-style Nissan X-Trail when the kids were small. But we live and work in the country and used the car for deliveries. It sat three in the back, even with 2 car-seats and had a big boot. But it's a big car for parking, especially underground car-parks and narrow city streets.

    We switched to a Qashqai +2, which was fab for taking the kids places with their friends and much more comfortable drive than the X-Trail. Sadly, Nissan stopped the +2 and replaced it with the new X-Trail, which we have at the moment. It's too big for driving and parking in French towns so we're changing it for an XC40, which is slightly shorter and has enough boot-space for wine deliveries, luggage for 4 (reasonable) people and seats 3 in the back comfortably. I though the XC60 was too big. I like Nissans because they are neat and reliable but their on-board tech is out-of-date and clunky and they don't have a family SUV hybrid (yet). The Volvo seems to tick all my boxes.

    The Seat Ateca is good but feels a bit basic. The Kia Sportage looks good but I haven't driven it. The other car I liked was the Peugeot 3008.

    We've also stopped buying cars. We either lease them or get them on a 3-year credit deal. That way all the maintenance is covered and we can swap to a new car every 3 years. With electric technology evolving so quickly, I think that is even more interesting. I would recommend looking at the leasing deals. Volvo are offering rechargeable hybrids at the same rate as their diesels at the moment. I got my XC40 Recharge on a professional package for under 450€ a month for 3 years.
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  16. I see one can get a Kia Niro Hybrid on a 3+23 10,000 miles for £290/month. I like the short contracts myself. I was a little annoyed with the small print in the maintenance (inc tyres) part of these deals, as they don't cover punctures. My Skoda didn't really need any money spending on maintenance as such.

    Actually, we should be asking what kind of driving you intend to do - and how much of it. And might you have convenient access to a home-charger?
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  17. Tom Cannavan

    Tom Cannavan Administrator

    I drove one of these all over the North Island on my recent New Zealand trip. A really nice car, and the one we hired loaded with equipment. OK, it lacked some of the refinement, grunt and 'luxury feel' of my own XC60, but I was honestly very impressed. Lovely and easy car to drive (this was an automatic), roomy and refined overall.
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  18. Ben
    For the last 15 years one of our cars has always been a Subaru - they are bullet proof and with permanent 4 wheel drive are great in almost any off-road/winter situation. I quite like the fact that they are a little unpopular!!
    The current model is a 2019 Outback which took me through last years shooting and fishing seasons without incident. This cannot be said for others in my syndicate in their BMW's, Merc's ...etc. Ample room for a family of 5 and plenty kit in the boot.
    I live in the country so the off-road reliability more than makes up for the slightly less than top notch styling. And then there's the 2002 DB7 (No Sat Nav or Apple CarPlay) waiting for high days and holidays made all the better by the fact that the kids don't fit in it!!
    It seems de rigeur, as per Tom's post, to include a photo of your sports car at the side of a Highland road - in this case on the Braemar side of Glenshee

  19. I agree, although the cream interiors seem harder to find in used cars. In this extended test review of the Volvo V60, the reviewer says Volvo's wipes are surprisingly effective on cream leather:
    Extended Test: 2019 Volvo V60 T5 Inscription
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  20. I'm interested in a Skoda but my wife prefers a Volvo!

    My mother-in-law drives an Audi Q3, about the size of the XC40, and my brother-in-law drove an Audi A3. To us, both seemed small, especially for 2 children, if you wanted to take a trip to Norfolk or Cornwall, for example, by the time you've squeezed in a pram. It was surprising, in fact, how little luggage we managed to fit into the boot of the Q3.
  21. Sadly, we don't have convenient access to a home-charger. Hopefully we will in the future.

    Volvo are offering the V60 for an initial deposit of £3,106 and then 24 monthly rental payments of £319 but I'm not sure about paying nearing £11,000 to drive a car for 24 months.

    We intend to make daily short trips within London in the car, once that's possible, but also to take longer trips to the coast and to Wiltshire, where my parents are.
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  22. The Outback seems to cost so much more in the UK compared to the US, though. Here the starting price is £33,770 whereas the starting price in the US is $26,645. It is a great car, though.
  23. Just in case anyone’s interested in a budget option...

    Bought my first C4 Grand Picasso in 2010 for peanuts. Did 80,000 miles, a few technical niggles, terrible car to drive. But as a design for kids: wow. Loads of space, brilliantly set up, great car for holidays. Roll on 7 years. Budget significantly increased. Trailed around Audi, Jaguar, BMW, Volvo etc. Same story every time: it hasn’t got what the Citroen had. Space, boot, comfort, economy.

    So I gave in and bought a 1 yr old 15,000 mile 1.6l for £12k. Wonderful car. Up to 70k miles, no issues, handles nicely, 50 mpg all round, £30 to tax, more space than you would believe (we have 3 children and 2 dogs). Wound love to be driving a ‘nice’ car but can’t see the point anymore.
  24. F5FF5170-029F-4C56-B143-B98BF692ED6C.jpeg Not quite the Scottish Highlands, but a serendipitous backdrop nonetheless!

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